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Old 06-19-2008, 01:52 PM
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Re: Retief Goosen: "Tiger Was Faking"

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Originally Posted by mr3856a View Post
See, here we get back to your logical fallacies. Tiger has a nice big foundation, but you said he was nothing more than a good golfer. Problem number 1. Problem number 2 - who said anything about Justin Leonard or David Toms? You're bringing in things outside the realm of what we're discussing to get away from what you said. Would you like to talk about another sport now, perhaps the animal kingdom and what Professor Jones does to protect the brown horned toad?
The only problem with logic is, you can't seem to follow it. All the things everyone says about Tiger being a great upstanding individual that anyone should strive to be like, comes from his golfing ability.

The reasons we bring up JL, or David Toms, or Rory, or anyone and everyone who happens to have a foundation is, that we don't hear about those do we? No one rolls around telling us how we should strive to be like JL. Or that we shouldn't question David Toms' integrity or honesty. Tiger is just like a million other individuals in everything but golf. He has a foundation? Big deal, so do a lot of Tour pros, so do a lot of average Joe's. You've probably donated a portion of your earnings to charity, you just don't swing a golf club like Eldrick. Everything that we hear beyond his golf game is directly derived from the fact he's great at it, nothing more, nothing less. If he had the abilities of Jason Gore, we wouldn't hear jack all about TWF and no one would be shaming us for thinking he is embellishing an injury.

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We're talking about Tiger Woods, and Retief's (and your) implication that he was lying about his injury. "Faking it" is lying.
No it's not. And even if it is? Who cares? Honest people fake injury and a lot of people who have had injuries limp even when they don't know they are. They wince because they have been for a month.

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So, now that we're back to the subject at hand, if you can share with us evidence that Tiger lacks integrity, honesty and class, I'm all ears.
Well, he told us he was fine, fully recovered, no problems, just may be rusty because he hasn't played. Turned out he isn't fine, he is hurt, he has a knee injury and another injury he said he didn't have. That certainly wasn't the truth now was it?

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I guess we can add this to the long line of things attributed to me that I never said. I said it was the stupidest thing I'd ever heard, not that you were stupid. Smart people can say stupid things.
You called me stupid as much as I called Tiger a liar.

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Don't be disingenuous, please - it's beneath you.
If the truth is disingenuous, then bury me beneath myself. He told us he was fine, anyone who questioned that was calling him a liar as much as I, Retief, or anyone who was saying he was embellishing his injuries was.
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