ProSoft Inserts

[petter7]

I was curious if anyone here on GRW has any experience with the ProSoft Inserts.

So far, I have heard nothing but favorable reviews about them. It is said that they
do a terrific job dampening the vibration of steel shafts, some say better than
sensicore.

If anyone has a comment on ProSoft Inserts, I would very much appreciate hearing
about them. Thanks for any info you can send my way.

[MarkinTN1]

Yep, the hype is true, better quality, low cost. Get the install tool it makes it much easier.

[coachsb]

Originally Posted by MarkinTN1

Yep, the hype is true, better quality, low cost. Get the install tool it makes it much easier.

what Mark said, very easy to install, and work very well, have them in all 3 of my iron sets

[SolidRockGolf]

Here is another way to do the Dampening inserts. Actually this was one if not the first way it was done in the PGA Tour Vans...

First you need plastic straws, weather stripping, elmers spray glue, and an old shaft.

1-Cut a straw to about 5" in length
2-Us the adhesive side of the stripping and stick it to the straw as you wrap it around closely packed from top to bottom.
3-Spray the stripping with the elmers glue and place it in the butt of the shaft gently.
4-Use the old shaft to slowly push the insert as far as you can get it without damaging it. It should be tightly wedged in the shaft.
5-Now your done and can grip the club to finish.

Works great, feels great, and the cost is alot easier on the pocket.

Hope this helps.

Christian

[Bigvivec]

Sorry for my ignorance...what do they do and what is the benefit?

[SolidRockGolf]

It reduces the impact vibration which makes it not as harsh on your hands, arms, muscles...etc

Good for all golfers but great for the older ones or the ones that hit balls all the time.

[OnePutt]

Christen; What size weather stripping is needed. It comes in all sizes, and I assume you know which size works best. Thanks.

[OnePutt]

I just read a post that claims the Sensicore reduces vibrations by 70 % and the Prosoft inserts reduces them 50 %. So they are not as effective as the Sensicore. But the price is real good. Cost is 25 cents each if you buy a gross, which is 144 inserts. That's a lot of inserts, but it's enough for 12 dozen irons. $36 is pretty cheap. I think the Sensicore inserts cost $28 for a pack of 8. Which comes to $3.50 per club. You can spend $28 and do 8 clubs, or $36 and do 144 clubs. Not as effective but much cheaper.

Does anyone know the name of the company that makes them ? And how to contact them directly. Not where I can buy some, but who makes them ?

[indacup]

I would be very cautious about using Sensicore or duplicating the process because I've seen many times rust developing in those systems...the Pro soft inserts are made from a unique material that cannot trap the moisture...plus, the Prosoft inserts come with a tool to assure that the dampening insert is done at the right location in the shaft.

Any clubmaker or hobbiest can get the inserts...we put them all our customers irons for free...part of the service.

[OnePutt]

I've got Sensicore TT shafts, and I've had zero problems with rust. One set of shafts are 4 years old and I looked inside of them and no rust. I also believe you have to BUY the insertion tool for the Prosoft, they don't come with it. It sells for around $12 I think. One question. If the end of the shaft is closed over with tape from installing the grip. How is moisture getting inside the shaft to cause rust? Sounds like the end of the shaft wasn't close by the tape if rust is forming inside the shaft. If that's the problem, it would seem pretty easy to solve, just tape the end shut before you install a grip.

Indacup; Do you by any chance know who makes the ProSoft inserts ? Not the supplier, but the maker of them. I'd like to contact them directly if I may. Thanks in advance for your assistance.

[Game Face]

Curious... why would anyone want to use these?

Don't vibrations equate to mis-hitting? If I didn't know I was hitting the ball off center I would never try to get better because I wouldn't know that I was mis-hitting the ball.

Right?

[OnePutt]

Sensicore inserts are great for anyone that has arthritis or any kind of joint pain. They also come in real handy on those cold days of winter and you happen to hit a ball thin or off the toe. Also, you can still feel the difference between a well hit ball and a mis-hit. What you lose is the "sting" from those bad hits.

[Game Face]

Originally Posted by OnePutt

Sensicore inserts are great for anyone that has arthritis or any kind of joint pain. They also come in real handy on those cold days of winter and you happen to hit a ball thin or off the toe. Also, you can still feel the difference between a well hit ball and a mis-hit. What you lose is the "sting" from those bad hits.

Thanks man. That's what I needed to know.

[SolidRockGolf]

You don't have to worry about the shafts weakening from rust when you use weather stripping.... hence the word "weather stripping"

[indacup]

Actually, the whole purpose of weather stripping is to act as a barrier to prevent the elements from transferring thru.

I've seen too many come back rusted... as long as the set up is done in a manner not to pinch the straw and prohibit air transfer, then you'll be fine...and assuming you position it correctly within the shaft...but why go thru all the hassle when when the Prosoft inserts can be had for pennies?

[SolidRockGolf]

The Prosoft inserts are pretty good and worth the $$ but I would have to say that my best results with dampening vibration has come from the Weather stripping process. With that said I have never seen it become a rust issue. NEVER

I agree that it takes alittle working until you get the hang of it BUT I know of reps on the Tour Vans who still swear by this method over the conventional $$ version for the everyday club builder.

Each builder has his or her own way and I usually go the conventional route but not in this case. The Dampening Inserts just seem to work best compared to the ProSoft inserts or the Sensicores.

[indacup]

Originally Posted by SolidRockGolf

The Prosoft inserts are pretty good and worth the $$ but I would have to say that my best results with dampening vibration has come from the Weather stripping process. With that said I have never seen it become a rust issue. NEVER

I agree that it takes alittle working until you get the hang of it BUT I know of reps on the Tour Vans who still swear by this method over the conventional $$ version for the everyday club builder.

Exactly...and therein lies the point...

This thread is being treated as one in which the poster wants to do it himself (which is why I figured you gave him instructions on how to do it)...and with you being a professional, I agree, there'd be no concern for you to do it for him...

But if he (or anyone) is a hobbiest, and wishes to do it themselves, it makes sense to take the easiest, cheapest, safest and most reliable method to acquire vibration dampening.

To mention that the weather stripping and straw way: "takes alittle working until you get the hang of it", is not what your normal hobbiest wants to hear...LOL...especially when you compare their skills to: "Tour Vans who still use it".

Normal hobbiest wants to "slip it (insert) and grip it"....and play golf with confidence.

Makes sense?

[SolidRockGolf]

Originally Posted by indacup

Exactly...and therein lies the point...

This thread is being treated as one in which the poster wants to do it himself (which is why I figured you gave him instructions on how to do it)...and with you being a professional, I agree, there'd be no concern for you to do it for him...

But if he (or anyone) is a hobbiest, and wishes to do it themselves, it makes sense to take the easiest, cheapest, safest and most reliable method to acquire vibration dampening.

To mention that the weather stripping and straw way: "takes alittle working until you get the hang of it", is not what your normal hobbiest wants to hear...LOL...especially when you compare their skills to: "Tour Vans who still use it".

Normal hobbiest wants to "slip it (insert) and grip it"....and play golf with confidence.

Makes sense?

Yes I gave a point on how to do it and yes Tour Vans do it and yes it can be messed up... JUST like tipping a shaft can be messed up... JUST like gripping a club can be messed up... JUST like installing a simple ferrule can be messed up.... JUST like pulling a head can be messed up.

So we can agree that the ProSoft inserts is pretty simple but you can also have a do it yourself method that might take alittle time. Point is.. I have never messed up the process and I know of a few builders that will tell you same BUT I can see that IT could be possible to mess it up... HENCE the reason I said it was possible.

[indacup]

Petter-

Sorry that the thread got kinda away from the subject.

Email me your address and Ill send you a set of Pro-Soft inserts at no charge.





Rory

[roho]

Kinda late to the party here but had to add my 2 cents.

I agree with indacup completely. I have been using prosofts almost since they came out and I had a bout of tennis elbow. I have put one of those in all my clubs ever since and so far have not had a re occurrence.
Being a hobbyist they are the easiest thing you can do when you regrip. I can't see getting involved with straws, tape and glue when these are available. The best thing is they only cost a quarter a piece!

The other issue discussed here was rust. I can attest to having sensicore rust out my shafts. The thing that is still not clear in my mind is whether is is correct to enclose the butt end of the shaft with grip tape when regripping or to poke a hole in the tape. This has been discussed in other forums and no concensus has been reached that I have seen. Each swears by their method. One poster here questioned how can moisture get inside the shaft if it is enclosed, simple condensation. I very respected builder says the butt end should be open so the inside can breathe and any moisture can escape.

[OnePutt]

The problem I see with leaving the butt end open would be when you wash your grips with warm soapy water. If the butt is open, water can get inside and rust could form. If the butt is closed, not water can get in, and not a problem with rust. In five years of using Sensicore insert shafts, I've never had a problem with rust, and all my shafts have the tape over the end of the shaft.

[GolfSavage]

If the inside is dry before the end is closed, there won't be any moisture to get trapped and condensate. A closed system where no new moisture can be introduced will provide the best protection against rust.

[OnePutt]

Thank you GolfSavage for your reply. I also heard of a tour guy having a problem installing a shaft in an iron one time. He epoxied it twice, and each time it came loose. Turns out the Pro that owned the club had sprayed WD 40 inside the shaft for some reason, and the WD 40 was the cause of the epoxy not sticking to the shaft. He cleaned out the shaft and the problem was gone. I can only assume the pro was worried about rust for some reason.

[GolfSavage]

Originally Posted by OnePutt