Project X

[Bigvivec]

What exactly is the project x all about? I am going to go to the website and check the standard info, but what insights can you give as to how they differ from standard true temper x100s or s300 (flex dependent)...what is the ballflight like for you and what are the shafts trying to do (assist in ballflight, lighter, heavier, higher/lower kick, etc)...I hit a demo 6 iron with pjct x 6.0 and really liked the feel, but I was in a big net and couldn't see the ballflight, but the feel was very solid and pure....

[cnixon83]

i personally love the PX shafts. i played the DG s300's until i reshafted last fall... too whippy for me. i've always had a high ball flight so i wanted to try the PX, demo'd them and liked the feel, they're a lot more butt-stiff that the DG's. they do play considerably stiffer than DG's. the pro that did my fitting recommended the 6.5 (x-stiff). at first i thought i made a mistake, but a few range sessions i was in love. my ball flight was stronger than it had been with the DG's. i gained a few yards and a little bit more accuracy.

[Nikeguy07]

Most people think the project X has a lower ball flight, than the DG, but that is simply not true...it is supposed to have a higher launch with a low spin to create a high flat trajectory...Sometimes people might even add a few yards to each iron as well....I had PX in my last set of irons and were good shafts, but not for me...Like stated above they are very butt stiff, and if you get longer shafts, they play stiffer...Like 1/2 long compared to standard because the butt is stiffer.....

According to Royal Precision, "A proven winner on the PGA Tour, this complex RIFLE features a different constant taper per inch for each shaft in the set. Longer taper rate results in more energy transfer to the ball. The ball gets up faster and flattens out for a penetrating trajecory."

[Bulls9999]

Depends if you want the 'rifle flighted' or strictly rifled shafts. The 'flighted' shafts are more stiffer as you go towards the pitching wedge, with the strategy that the less-stiffer 2-3 iron shafts help get the ball up whereas the loft of the 9-iron/P-wedge already get the ball up. When I got mine, they felt much stiffer than what I was used to (had Nippon ultralights of ~95 gms.... the P-X flighted I got were 115? gms, some 20% more steel). When I mentioned that to a local golf shop pro and asked if I should step down from 5.5 to a 5.0, he said nah. Well, I should have listened to my own instinctive intuition. At first my 5.5-Project X flighted shafts felt almost 'too stiff', but I've gotten used to them, have to really hit them firm and the ball goes where you aim it :-)

Originally Posted by Bigvivec

What exactly is the project x all about? I am going to go to the website and check the standard info, but what insights can you give as to how they differ from standard true temper x100s or s300 (flex dependent)...what is the ballflight like for you and what are the shafts trying to do (assist in ballflight, lighter, heavier, higher/lower kick, etc)...I hit a demo 6 iron with pjct x 6.0 and really liked the feel, but I was in a big net and couldn't see the ballflight, but the feel was very solid and pure....

[OnePutt]

I really like the Project X flighted 5.0 shafts in my irons. I like the higher ball flight with the longer irons. I also like the older TT Tri-Gold shafts. With the Tri-Gold shafts, you get a higher ball flight with the longer irons, same as with the Flighted shaft. But you also get lighter shafts as you go longer, which is just the opposite of what you get with any other set of iron shafts. The 3 iron shaft is longer but some 15 grams lighter than the PW shaft. They also came with 9 shafts to the set, not 8.

[Bang-Golf]

I have a new set of the project X 6.5 in my Classic I Bang Golf Irons: Classic I TourTools Iron, Semi-Forged Soft Metal - Bang Golf, Inc.

Excellent weight and balance in the Project X shafts. Ball flight was extremely consistent and predictable.


I also have an old set of satin finished project X (before True temper Sports took over the rifle line). I prefer to look at Satin Finish... Hopefully, they go back to this look soon.

The rifle spinners for my wedges provided better control and a softer feel.

[Martini78]

Originally Posted by Nikeguy07

Most people think the project X has a lower ball flight, than the DG, but that is simply not true...it is supposed to have a higher launch with a low spin to create a high flat trajectory...

Right on with that. Also, talk to Christian at Solid Rock Golf. I've done some conversing with him on the RP shafts and according to him, the Rifles and PX's are easier to custom fit "in-between" flexes and also ballflight by tip trimming longer iron shafts. For instance, tip trimming a 6-iron shaft and sticking it in a 7-iron produces a stiffer shaft but moves the bend point up a 1/2", and the opposite effect works as well.

On the TT DG, I'm not sure I've ever hit a steel shaft that launches the ball lower.

[Bigvivec]

So I went down to my clubfitter to get some work done...putting a s300 into my 19* hybrid and making it the same length as my 2 iron, and putting a ys 9.1 into my sonartec gs 14* fw for a heavier weight and a higher launch...just on a whim I asked if he had any project x shafts...lo and behold, there was a set that he just pulled new from some callaway xforgeds, standard length 6.0 flighted 3-pw...he said the owner wanted to sell them, and would contact me when he had a price...hopefully it works out and I'll have them in clubs (haven't decided which ones yet) by the end of the week

[Butter Knife Guy]

Originally Posted by Bulls9999

Depends if you want the 'rifle flighted' or strictly rifled shafts. The 'flighted' shafts are more stiffer as you go towards the pitching wedge, with the strategy that the less-stiffer 2-3 iron shafts help get the ball up whereas the loft of the 9-iron/P-wedge already get the ball up. When I got mine, they felt much stiffer than what I was used to (had Nippon ultralights of ~95 gms.... the P-X flighted I got were 115? gms, some 20% more steel). When I mentioned that to a local golf shop pro and asked if I should step down from 5.5 to a 5.0, he said nah. Well, I should have listened to my own instinctive intuition. At first my 5.5-Project X flighted shafts felt almost 'too stiff', but I've gotten used to them, have to really hit them firm and the ball goes where you aim it :-)

Actually, in a proper set of flighted shafts (rifle flighted, PX flighted, Tour Concept, etc) it's just a matter of where the bend point is located in the shaft, not a different flex altogether. The clubs still should have a 4.3 CPM progression from one to the next. Shaft flex will do very little for launch angle, except perhaps change dynamic loft of the club (incorrect way of going about changing launch angle).

[OnePutt]

Butter; I can tell you've never did any research on the Tri-Gold shaft sets. They did have a different flex from wedge to 3 iron, more so than the normal set of TT shafts. Also had lover kick points from wedge to 3I, and lighter weight from wedge to 3 I. Each shaft in the 9 shaft set was almost a differnent design, they were that much different. As for CPM progression, it was much more than any 4.3 difference between clubs. They don't sell the Tri-Gold shafts anymore, and that's a shame in my opinion. But I magaged to pick up 3 new sets a few years back plus one more I got from a friend, so I've got 5 sets now. I'm all set for life.

[Martini78]

Originally Posted by OnePutt

... had lover kick points ...

I am not familiar with shafts with lover kick points. What type of ballflight would a lover kick point produce?

[Bulls9999]

I think it's fair to say 'if you kick your lover around, you'll get shafted'?

Originally Posted by Martini78

I am not familiar with shafts with lover kick points. What type of ballflight would a lover kick point produce?

[OnePutt]

I think one of the spelling Gods has been here. Sorry for the typo.

[Martini78]

I meant no harm, but the typo produced some humor.

[OnePutt]

I wonder if you did use a lover kick point shaft, Would you get a beautiful, sweet ball flight? One to fall madly in Love with? Would you be able to "CURVE" the ball around the corner of a dogleg? Now you've got me thinking, and that's never a good thing.

[Bigvivec]

So my clubfitter finally got back to me with a price (the shafts were a consignment item) and as it was reasonable and included installation and adjustments, I pulled the trigger...I am installing them in what has become my backup set of mp60s, hoping to return them to the starting lineup...will post how they turn out...

[Nineteen & Life]

I'm aware of Project X

It's a great shaft

[Nineteen & Life]

Originally Posted by Bigvivec

So my clubfitter finally got back to me with a price (the shafts were a consignment item) and as it was reasonable and included installation and adjustments, I pulled the trigger...I am installing them in what has become my backup set of mp60s, hoping to return them to the starting lineup...will post how they turn out...

Good how your 905Rr was workable. And your Mizunos are awesome.

[Nineteen & Life]

Originally Posted by Bang-Golf

I have a new set of the project X 6.5 in my Classic I Bang Golf Irons: Classic I TourTools Iron, Semi-Forged Soft Metal - Bang Golf, Inc.

Excellent weight and balance in the Project X shafts. Ball flight was extremely consistent and predictable.


I also have an old set of satin finished project X (before True temper Sports took over the rifle line). I prefer to look at Satin Finish... Hopefully, they go back to this look soon.

The rifle spinners for my wedges provided better control and a softer feel.

I have Rifle spinners

[Bigvivec]

Originally Posted by Nineteen & Life

Good how your 905Rr was workable. And your Mizunos are awesome.

Call me crazy but what are you talking about? My driver isn't part of this discussion...

[Bigvivec]

So I got my mp 60s back with the new project x shafts in them this afternoon and promptly went directly to the driving range…so sweet! They were very stable and controllable, had a smoother kick, and I noticed right away that the ball flight was something different…the ball seemed like it was ballooning, and then would just stay up there, and stay up there…how the designers figured this one out I don’t know, but the flight is both high and penetrating…weird but impressive as I gained distance across the set…problem was that it was so impressive I got caught up in the “how far can you hit your………….iron at the range” game and blew my tempo out of the water…hit some wedges and went back to them and they were sweet again…very pleased…did have one issue though, and if it can’t be resolved with these heads I will install these shafts into the mp 14s…I really want to hit these heads well though as they are more forgiving which I have the feeling will ultimately lead to lower scores…the issue is in another thread here:
Face angle iron adjustment...

I don’t want to give all the credit to the shafts…wouldn’t be fair as I have been hitting the ball well lately and I wouldn’t want anyone to run out and buy these “magic beans” based on my endorsement…but they are definelty more stable (might have to do with them each being spined by the club fitter) and feel very smooth, give great flight and carry longer than did my other shafts…my five iron flight looked like my hybrid!!! (in steel, with the graphite that thing goes a mile up…) As for 6.0 playing stiffer than s300, and in spite of my fitter saying that he spined the shafts to play stiff, I didn’t notice any boardy feeling, loss of distance, or leaking weak shots to the right…in fact it was the opposite on all counts and want to demo a 6.5 to see if even more control can be experienced up the ladder…initial impressions are that I am “sold” on this shaft and am looking forward to applying the clubhead on the course tomorrow…

[Bigvivec]

So the verdict is in…the solution to my hooking problem was to adjust the lie to 2* flat…funny thing about lie though…I had checked my clubs by hitting them on the rubber matted walking path…leaves a black mark on the sole, and the lie appeared flush…that is to say when I soled the club at address I did so in a way that the club was aligned properly and came through on the correct angles at impact…why the ball would hook I don’t know, but once adjusted again I could feel that I was immediately more comfortable at address when I soled the club as it was intended…results bear it out as well…interestingly, I read that the clubs that are more affected by improper lie angles are the higher lofted irons (I think that it was in Nickalus’s Golf My Way)…again, results bore out the written word as while all the clubs felt better in the hands, the short irons were much more accurate than they had been, and I was again able to cut the ball into the greens, which with the new manicuring guidelines at my club (shaving the greens and now they are very quick) and the dry season (harder greens) makes a fade into the green the preferred shot…my opinion on clubfitting has been reinforced after all of this, which is similar to Ctech’s view in that standard off the rack sets should be suitable for most who are neither unusually short or tall (5’8 to 6’3”) until you know your tendencies and can then fine tune them…for me the tuning is making all the difference and am starting to realize a larger degree of control (which was great with the woods after I set them up and quickly ruined by ill fitted irons)…something that came out of all of this is also the importance of not just being fitted for your driver, but to have all the clubs in the set tailored for uniformity as I lost my feeling for all the clubs after changing the setup on only the irons…

Now that the issue is somewhat sorted, back to the short game practice area…