Les Miles creates new stats category

[Wazmankg]

Originally Posted by essurfer

I know what you are saying and I agree. My reasoning is that they are undefeated and no one else is. Since all the teams are in the same "league", they should all be thought of as such. I dont think anyone thinks the Colorado Rockies were a great team but they earned their way into the World Series and win or lose, they were entitled to the experience. College football creates a caste system that is unfair to the hawaii and Boise States of college football.

And that's why a playoff would be nice. I'd prefer 16 teams, but that will probably never fly now that most of the top teams already play up to 13 games due to schedule and coffer-padding cupcakes that they've added over the years. This year they should just cancel the BSC Championship game rather than perpetuate the farce and give everyone in the top 25 a nice participation trophy like they do in the kids soccer leagues.

[Wazmankg]

Originally Posted by coralpro

For all those that think Ohio St. is deserving I hope they will put a sleeve of golf balls on it should Missouri lose to OU.

I don't think I could convince myself to root for OSU much less put anything at stake, but if Missou schools your boys as I expect, I might give you another chance to break even.

[coralpro]

Originally Posted by essurfer

I know what you are saying and I agree. My reasoning is that they are undefeated and no one else is. Since all the teams are in the same "league", they should all be thought of as such. I dont think anyone thinks the Colorado Rockies were a great team but they earned their way into the World Series and win or lose, they were entitled to the experience. College football creates a caste system that is unfair to the hawaii and Boise States of college football.

The Rockies are not even a comparative analogy. They played various teams and had to go through a playoff to reach the world series.

The likes of Hawaii or Boise St. have the option of scheduling teams that would behoove their teams ability in their non conference schedules. Perhaps Hawaii should go independent like a Notre Dame to earn respect and try to set up games with USC, Alabama, LSU, Ohio St. Oklahoma, Texas or many other teams that could help their status. When you have no real comparative history and you play only one ranked team that wasn't respected highly either, it doesn't help the case much.

[Wazmankg]

Originally Posted by coralpro

The Rockies are not even a comparative analogy. They played various teams and had to go through a playoff to reach the world series.

The likes of Hawaii or Boise St. have the option of scheduling teams that would behoove their teams ability in their non conference schedules. Perhaps Hawaii should go independent like a Notre Dame to earn respect and try to set up games with USC, Alabama, LSU, Ohio St. Oklahoma, Texas or many other teams that could help their status. When you have no real comparative history and you play only one ranked team that wasn't respected highly either, it doesn't help the case much.

I'm guessing that Boise St & Hawaii would like that very much, but there is nothing in it for the big boys to schedule a N/C game with either. Nothing to gain, everything to lose. If they're going to schedule a "loseable" N/C game they're better off scheduling a major conference opponent.

[coralpro]

Originally Posted by Wazmankg

I'm guessing that Boise St & Hawaii would like that very much, but there is nothing in it for the big boys to schedule a N/C game with either. Nothing to gain, everything to lose. If they're going to schedule a "loseable" N/C game they're better off scheduling a major conference opponent.

I agree there may be a problem there but I think as these two schools continue to show they are a step above many of the non-bcs schools it will be looked upon as what it should be. Boise St. after beating OU got a little more respect although still not the same as other schools might but it is improving. All they need are a few bowl wins against good teams to start getting people to respect them and start giving them a little more respect as long as it is not a one hit wonder.

[stlcard_25]

Originally Posted by Wazmankg

And that's why a playoff would be nice. I'd prefer 16 teams, but that will probably never fly now that most of the top teams already play up to 13 games due to schedule and coffer-padding cupcakes that they've added over the years. This year they should just cancel the BSC Championship game rather than perpetuate the farce and give everyone in the top 25 a nice participation trophy like they do in the kids soccer leagues.

Could you name 16 teams that are even in the least bit worthy of the honor of playing for a national title? I couldn't...in most years that includes a bunch of 3 loss teams and even some with 4. That's a slap in the face of those who get through their schedule undefeated or with one loss.

[TwillDog]

Originally Posted by stlcard_25

Could you name 16 teams that are even in the least bit worthy of the honor of playing for a national title? I couldn't...in most years that includes a bunch of 3 loss teams and even some with 4. That's a slap in the face of those who get through their schedule undefeated or with one loss.

I agree with that sentiment - that's like hockey having 16 teams in the playoffs; why'd you bother with the regular season? 8 teams tops, and that would be stretching it. I just like the 8 teams because it could include 3 bowl games, or do 6 teams with 1 and 2 getting a bye, and you could have all 4 BCS bowls included with the BCS Championship game playing as it is now...

[Wazmankg]

Originally Posted by stlcard_25

Could you name 16 teams that are even in the least bit worthy of the honor of playing for a national title? I couldn't...in most years that includes a bunch of 3 loss teams and even some with 4. That's a slap in the face of those who get through their schedule undefeated or with one loss.

1. Missouri 11-1
2. West Virginia 10-1
3. Ohio State 11-1
4. Georgia 10-2
5. Kansas 11-1
6. Virginia Tech 10-2
7. LSU 10-2
8. USC 9-2
9. Oklahoma 10-2
10. Florida 9-3
11. Boston College 10-2
12. Hawaii 11-0
13. Arizona State 9-2
14. Tennessee 9-3
15. Illinois 9-3
16. Clemson 9-3
17. Oregon 8-3


That was easier than I thought it would be. I'd be up for a playoff tournament with this group. I listed 17 in case Dixon is ready in which case they'd replace Clemson.

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[stlcard_25]

Originally Posted by Wazmankg

1. Missouri 11-1
2. West Virginia 10-1
3. Ohio State 11-1
4. Georgia 10-2
5. Kansas 11-1
6. Virginia Tech 10-2
7. LSU 10-2
8. USC 9-2
9. Oklahoma 10-2
10. Florida 9-3
11. Boston College 10-2
12. Hawaii 11-0
13. Arizona State 9-2
14. Tennessee 9-3
15. Illinois 9-3
16. Clemson 9-3
17. Oregon 8-3

That was easier than I thought it would be. I'd be up for a playoff tournament with this group. I listed 17 in case Dixon is ready in which case they'd replace Clemson.

None of the teams in bold have proven capable of beating the top 10. Should cruddy teams like Illinois and Clemson really be given a shot at anything? They had their chance in the regular season, no reason to give losers 3rd and 4th chances to lose again. The teams in blue would be something I could live with in a playoff, and nothing more.

[TwillDog]

Originally Posted by Wazmankg

1. Missouri 11-1
2. West Virginia 10-1
3. Ohio State 11-1
4. Georgia 10-2
5. Kansas 11-1
6. Virginia Tech 10-2
7. LSU 10-2
8. USC 9-2
9. Oklahoma 10-2
10. Florida 9-3
11. Boston College 10-2
12. Hawaii 11-0
13. Arizona State 9-2
14. Tennessee 9-3
15. Illinois 9-3
16. Clemson 9-3
17. Oregon 8-3


That was easier than I thought it would be. I'd be up for a playoff tournament with this group. I listed 17 in case Dixon is ready in which case they'd replace Clemson.

While I appreciate the thought, Waz, I just don't see the point of having all those teams, who, while many are playing well now just haven't been consistently good, in a playoff when they had 11-12 games to prove they should be top 8 teams. I understand that the cream should rise regardless, but Clemson had many opportunities to be better than 9-3, they just didn't get it done in the regular season. They get a decent bowl game and a big fat check... good enough. Some teams have played their way in (Georgia, Va. Tech), some got lucky to not have to play any more games (Ohio St.) and others earned it through overall body of work (Mizzou, W.Virginia). One could argue for an undefeated Hawaii to get a bone thrown to them, and I'd go along with that... but the Floridas, Boston Colleges and Illinois' had opportunities early and squandered them... thanks for playing, we have nice parting gifts for you type of thing...
I'd have no problem with your top 6 or 8 having a playoff... I'd even be willing to put my pride aside and take Hawaii over LSU...

[essurfer]

Originally Posted by coralpro

The Rockies are not even a comparative analogy. They played various teams and had to go through a playoff to reach the world series.

The likes of Hawaii or Boise St. have the option of scheduling teams that would behoove their teams ability in their non conference schedules. Perhaps Hawaii should go independent like a Notre Dame to earn respect and try to set up games with USC, Alabama, LSU, Ohio St. Oklahoma, Texas or many other teams that could help their status. When you have no real comparative history and you play only one ranked team that wasn't respected highly either, it doesn't help the case much.

MAybe the all knowing NCAA should schedule games. A team like Hawaii has got to have trouble scheduling a more highly regarded opponent. I believe Michigan dropped them from their schedule and put in Appalachia State instead and we all know how that went... I really do not believe that most teams look forward to traveling to Hawaii to play the Warriors

[coralpro]

Originally Posted by stlcard_25

None of the teams in bold have proven capable of beating the top 10. Should cruddy teams like Illinois and Clemson really be given a shot at anything? They had their chance in the regular season, no reason to give losers 3rd and 4th chances to lose again. The teams in blue would be something I could live with in a playoff, and nothing more.

Illinois is a cruddy team but beat Ohio St. at their home. Ohio St. is the one team in the top 10 that would least deserve a chance at a national championship. They are a good top mid level team but not in the same league as the rest. I'd almost bet Hawaii would beat them.

[Wazmankg]

Originally Posted by coralpro

Illinois is a cruddy team but beat Ohio St. at their home. Ohio St. is the one team in the top 10 that would least deserve a chance at a national championship. They are a good top mid level team but not in the same league as the rest. I'd almost bet Hawaii would beat them.

That cruddy team gave Missouri all it could handle, losing by 6, even though they lost their starting QB early and had to go with a redshirt freshman for most of the game who was intercepted twice and lost 2 fumbles including one that Missouri returned 100 yards. If Juice Williams doesn't get knocked out early in the 2nd quarter we wouldn't be talking about the Tigers Natl. Championship chances. I'll take Illinois over any Big 12 team if they happen to get matched up with one in a bowl game.. you name it.

[TwillDog]

Originally Posted by Wazmankg

That cruddy team gave Missouri all it could handle, losing by 6, even though they lost their starting QB early and had to go with a redshirt freshman for most of the game who was intercepted twice and lost 2 fumbles including one that Missouri returned 100 yards. If Juice Williams doesn't get knocked out early in the 2nd quarter we wouldn't be talking about the Tigers Natl. Championship chances. I'll take Illinois over any Big 12 team if they happen to get matched up with one in a bowl game.. you name it.

Wait a minute, wait a minute... are you trying to tell me that a team that had it's starting QB knocked out of the game continued to be competetive in a game? That's absurd - doesn't your defense stop playing and your team cease to be competetive until, say the 4th quarter when the underclassman who has to have time to get his wheels rolling can lead the team and they can stop being inept? Say it ain't so....
Also turnovers.... so what you are saying is if a team turns a ball over, let's just say for example 4 times (have to be careful here because apparently sometimes it's ok to turn the ball over...), they may not win the game? So turnovers can cause you to lose.... hmmm; interesting concept. Wonder what that might mean at, say 7pm central time tonight...I seem to recall another team turning the ball over 4 times in a game (course some of those could have been those "acceptable" turnovers....)
Sorry, Waz, you have no idea of what you speak - we need a "real" guru here to straighten this out...

[coralpro]

Originally Posted by Wazmankg

That cruddy team gave Missouri all it could handle, losing by 6, even though they lost their starting QB early and had to go with a redshirt freshman for most of the game who was intercepted twice and lost 2 fumbles including one that Missouri returned 100 yards. If Juice Williams doesn't get knocked out early in the 2nd quarter we wouldn't be talking about the Tigers Natl. Championship chances. I'll take Illinois over any Big 12 team if they happen to get matched up with one in a bowl game.. you name it.

I never said Illinois wasn't a good team. I just said Ohio St. wasn't good enough to be considered for the Championship bowl game. Missouri made a bunch of changes according to their coaches on defense after the fourth game of the season so who knows now how they would match up. I actually like Illinois and their play on both sides of the ball.

[stlcard_25]

Originally Posted by coralpro

Illinois is a cruddy team but beat Ohio St. at their home. Ohio St. is the one team in the top 10 that would least deserve a chance at a national championship. They are a good top mid level team but not in the same league as the rest. I'd almost bet Hawaii would beat them.

They may not be that great but they made it through their slate with only one loss. That's more than can be said for nearly every other team in Waz's top 16.

[Wazmankg]

Originally Posted by essurfer

Guess you can rationalize anything. As far as undefeated teams there is only one Hawaii and they should be in the championship game

End of 1st Quarter

Washington - 21
@ Hawaii - 0

Welcome to big time college football Warriors.

EDIT - Whoops, sorry Warriors...28-28 with 8 minutes left.

[stlcard_25]

The late flourish ends with a Colt Brennan TD with 44 seconds left to give the Rainbow Warriors the 35-28 victory. They now move on to be the sacrificial lamb for Georgia or LSU in the Sugar Bowl.

[Wazmankg]

Originally Posted by stlcard_25

The late flourish ends with a Colt Brennan TD with 44 seconds left to give the Rainbow Warriors the 35-28 victory. They now move on to be the sacrificial lamb for Georgia or LSU in the Sugar Bowl.

This turned out to be a great game. After Hawaii's final score Washington moved it 70 yards in 2 plays and had it 1st & 10 at the Hawaii 6 with 1 TO and 20 seconds left. They killed the drama with an INT on 2nd down, though. Congrats to Hawaii and good luck to them in their bowl. Everyone thought OU was going to roll Boise State last year too.