Putting alignment lines...

[coralpro]

Originally Posted by Wazmankg

I disagree that it necessarily takes more time, unless you don't ever mark & pick up your ball. I mark my ball and pick it up, then get a read on a line. Then I put my ball back down with the line/label on the ball facing my intended target. Doing that last part takes an extra second or 2 at most once you get used to the process. At that point the alignment part of the process is done. I use an Odyssey 2-ball. I'll take a couple of practice strokes for pace, address & set that 2-ball down aligned with the line on the ball, take another look at the hole/target for pace purposes, then go. Without the line on the ball I'm trying to pick up my intermediate target at address. With the line that's not necessary.

You must just like to hear or see yourself argue for the sake of arguement. I don't mark my ball for 1 unless it is requested or close to the intended line of a playing partner/competitor. It does take longer to line up a line to the intended target line than it does to just place the ball back after marking. If all things are equal from that point on then it is still quicker not to use a line. We can all say we do this or do that to show we don't take any unneccessary time but the line is a step that a no line putter doesn't have. One less step means less time. Now argue that.

[Bulls9999]

But you haven't been listening...it isn't 1 less step. The 'line-on-the-ball' putters have to line the ball up when placing/replacing it from having marked it. It is a very easy motion to do both at the same time, but according to you, it's an extra step.

However, once it's lined up, the ball is aligned with the intended path...nothing to contemplate on that anymore.

The 'non-line-on-the-ball' guys have to do some studying of their putter alignment mark (according to Fourputt), then make sure it's going through the dot/spot on their ball....then make sure it's going through to the intended path. Since this alignment wasn't worked out previously as with the 'line-on-the-ball' putting types, I'm going to suggest you guys spend more time here then I do, since my ball is already aligned. So, this is YOUR EXTRA STEP.

Capice?

Originally Posted by coralpro

One less step means less time. Now argue that.

[mr3856a]

Originally Posted by Wazmankg

I disagree that it necessarily takes more time

Me, too. It's a laughable argument, really. Let's say it takes an extra 30 seconds - which it doesn't - the no-brai, er, no-liners are assuming that every other element of their routine and our routine is the same, and therefore our routine takes longer. It's asinine.

Or perhaps they'd suggest I don't line it up at all, as they do (or don't, as the case may be) and miss the putt. Yes! There's the solution! "It's quicker - granted, I have to do it twice as much, but it's faster!"

[mr3856a]

Originally Posted by coralpro

You must just like to hear or see yourself argue for the sake of arguement. I don't mark my ball for 1 unless it is requested or close to the intended line of a playing partner/competitor. It does take longer to line up a line to the intended target line than it does to just place the ball back after marking. If all things are equal from that point on then it is still quicker not to use a line. We can all say we do this or do that to show we don't take any unneccessary time but the line is a step that a no line putter doesn't have. One less step means less time. Now argue that.

Ok, you don't line yours up, stand up to it and whack it and miss the putt 6 feet to one side or the other because you have no clue where you're aimed. Then you miss the 6 footer and tap in.

Your 3 putts take longer than my 2.

[mr3856a]

Originally Posted by Bulls9999

But you haven't been listening...it isn't 1 less step. The 'line-on-the-ball' putters have to line the ball up when placing/replacing it from having marked it. It is a very easy motion to do both at the same time, but according to you, it's an extra step.

But don't you understand??? Coralpro is always right!!!!

[coralpro]

Originally Posted by Bulls9999

But you haven't been listening...it isn't 1 less step. The 'line-on-the-ball' putters have to line the ball up when placing/replacing it from having marked it. It is a very easy motion to do both at the same time, but according to you, it's an extra step.

However, once it's lined up, the ball is aligned with the intended path...nothing to contemplate on that anymore.

The 'non-line-on-the-ball' guys have to do some studying of their putter alignment mark (according to Fourputt), then make sure it's going through the dot/spot on their ball....then make sure it's going through to the intended path. Since this alignment wasn't worked out previously as with the 'line-on-the-ball' putting types, I'm going to suggest you guys spend more time here then I do, since my ball is already aligned. So, this is YOUR EXTRA STEP.

Capice?

Hard to believe you are an Okie! You sound more like a person living in Michigan. Listen one more time. Lining up a line takes more time than placing a ball down. PERIOD. What part of that don't you understand?!?! I don't care how you do it and I suppose you've never marked and remarked either to change the line a touch because it didn't look right when you got over it.

[coralpro]

Originally Posted by mr3856a

Ok, you don't line yours up, stand up to it and whack it and miss the putt 6 feet to one side or the other because you have no clue where you're aimed. Then you miss the 6 footer and tap in.

Your 3 putts take longer than my 2.

Well I guess til we have a puttoff we'll never know. I'm confident in my putting stroke and would hold my own against most. My biggest weakness I would say is reading the greens and listening to you.

[Wazmankg]

Originally Posted by coralpro

Hard to believe you are an Okie! You sound more like a person living in Michigan.

What is it ? The coherent complete sentences ? The proper grammar ?

Originally Posted by coralpro

Listen one more time. Lining up a line takes more time than placing a ball down. PERIOD. What part of that don't you understand?!?! I don't care how you do it and I suppose you've never marked and remarked either to change the line a touch because it didn't look right when you got over it.

But you still have to pick up your alignment at address. We don't. And no I don't ever remark after I get over the ball because it doesn't look right. That's the whole point of the process with the line. I trust that I've aligned it properly.

[mr3856a]

Originally Posted by Wazmankg

And no I don't ever remark after I get over the ball because it doesn't look right. That's the whole point of the process with the line. I trust that I've aligned it properly.

I gather you could repeat that 1,000 times and he'd never grasp it. That to me is one of the biggest parts - no guesswork when I address the putt. I don't care what the other crowd says, with no alignment aid there ain't no way on earth you can stand over a putt and know you're aligned where you intended to be.

[Bulls9999]

Coral, you seem to think that if you shower first and then shave, its quicker than shaving first then showering.

Both methods have to align the ball, my method does it up front, you're does it toward the end of the process of putting....your inability to see that after it is pointed out to you is what I don't understand. Do you mean to tell me you just go up to the ball and strike it in willy nilly fashion towards the hole, or do you make an attempt to 'read the line'?....which I have already done by lining up the ball and do not have to do.

Say what you want, I'm done on this topic.

Originally Posted by coralpro

Hard to believe you are an Okie! You sound more like a person living in Michigan. Listen one more time. Lining up a line takes more time than placing a ball down. PERIOD. What part of that don't you understand?!?! I don't care how you do it and I suppose you've never marked and remarked either to change the line a touch because it didn't look right when you got over it.

[coralpro]

Originally Posted by Wazmankg

What is it ? The coherent complete sentences ? The proper grammar ?

Funniest thing I've seen you post in ages. You've got possiblities.

But you still have to pick up your alignment at address. We don't. And no I don't ever remark after I get over the ball because it doesn't look right. That's the whole point of the process with the line. I trust that I've aligned it properly.

Mine or any other putter's alignment is probably very similar. You still have to set up to the ball in alignment to the target line. We both do probably similar movements but I bypassed the bologna before I stepped up to the ball.

[coralpro]

Originally Posted by mr3856a

I gather you could repeat that 1,000 times and he'd never grasp it. That to me is one of the biggest parts - no guesswork when I address the putt. I don't care what the other crowd says, with no alignment aid there ain't no way on earth you can stand over a putt and know you're aligned where you intended to be.

Well I guess there is if not not handicapped.

[mr3856a]

Originally Posted by coralpro

Well I guess there is if not not handicapped.

You make your point so eloquently.

[coralpro]

Originally Posted by mr3856a

You make your point so eloquently.

I try to throw in extras so you don't misunderstand the context again.

[JPsuff]

Originally Posted by mr3856a

I don't care what the other crowd says, with no alignment aid there ain't no way on earth you can stand over a putt and know you're aligned where you intended to be.

That has to be the silliest thing I've ever read here.

So I guess then, by your logic, that Jack Nicklaus' eighteen majors were the result of dumb luck. Or that his being regarded by many as the best "money" putter in the game was the result of people just being nice to him.

Not to mention all of the people who won the thousands of championships over dozens of decades, and none of them had any idea where their ball was headed or where their putter was pointed because back then there were no "Sharpie's" or those dopey gizmo's with the slot cut into them with which to draw those "Vitally Important" alignment lines onto the ball.

How ever did they manage to hold things together being so hamstrung on the green? Because with no alignment lines, how could any of them know where their ball was going to end up? I never realized how much of a miracle they all experienced - everyone from a lowly club champion all the way up to Masters champions and Open champions...

I wonder if they all know how truly lucky they were?



-JP

[Bulls9999]

Well, Jack must have recognized the need for putting alignment otherwise why else would he sell/endorse:

http://www.golfcow.com/golf/archive/pictures/9403/494/1/P/3C28C01638/nicklaus_golf_jack_nicklaus_brass_ring_putters_rh_ 35.jpg

http://www.golfcow.com/golf/archive/..._blade_35_.jpg

Looks like a serious alignment aid to me.

Originally Posted by JPsuff

That has to be the silliest thing I've ever read here.

So I guess then, by your logic, that Jack Nicklaus' eighteen majors were the result of dumb luck. Or that his being regarded by many as the best "money" putter in the game was the result of people just being nice to him.

How ever did they manage to hold things together being so hamstrung on the green? Because with no alignment lines, how could any of them know where their ball was going to end up? I never realized how much of a miracle they all experienced - everyone from a lowly club champion all the way up to Masters champions and Open champions...

I wonder if they all know how truly lucky they were?



-JP

[Bigvivec]

Originally Posted by Bulls9999

Well, Jack must have recognized the need for putting alignment otherwise why else would he sell/endorse:

http://www.golfcow.com/golf/archive/pictures/9403/494/1/P/3C28C01638/nicklaus_golf_jack_nicklaus_brass_ring_putters_rh_ 35.jpg

http://www.golfcow.com/golf/archive/..._blade_35_.jpg

Looks like a serious alignment aid to me.

You've gone too far now...

The blade putters that Jack used, aruguably better than anyone past or present, were nothing like that thing...and he was exquisite on the greens...

There are vaild points on both sides of the coin, but to say one is better than the other is purely subjective and things like time taken to align or products endorsed are just smoke obscuring the wholly individual styles apparent on pro and club greens around the world, belly and long putter, claw grips, spiderman style greens reading, standing tall, hunching over the ball, eyes over the line, behind the ball, inside the line...it is an art...and the secret if there is one to putting is this: do whatever it takes to consistenly putt it on your chosen line with a feel for distance...anything else is just self aggrandizement as personal methods beyond the basics of stance are just that...personal...

[Bulls9999]

Bigvivec, nah, I don't think you were following the thread that closely. It wasn't the line-on-the-ball guys saying their method was better, it was their disagreement that their method 'takes extras steps'. Of course, the obvious 'extra step' is the initial alignment, but the other side wasn't acknowledging their need to finally take time to align their ball as their 'extra step' that the line-on-the-ball guys don't need to do because they already had their ball aligned to the putting path.

I will no