Iron Byron (Swing Machine Golf)

[Jedi Golf]

I was thinking about getting Swing Machine Golf (Iron Byron) by Paul Wilson. I've been hearing about for quite sometime, I'm surprised its still around. Has anybody here heard of this or tried it? If so, what did you think?

[straightshooter]

I have heard of it and read a bit about it, and I dislike the premise. The analogy between the human body and the Iron Byron machine doesn't ring any bells for me, but if you think it can work for you, go right ahead, and let us know how it is working for you!

[Jedi Golf]

I will if I get it but honestly I probably won't, it's too expensive.. I do however need to do something because my game is going down the tubes pretty fast.

[Leaguegolf]

The force is weak with this one. ...

[Jedi Golf]

Good one.. Your right though, the force ain't doing me a bit a good these days.. I might have to go to the dark side..

[Leaguegolf]

Originally Posted by Jedi Golf

Good one.. Your right though, the force ain't doing me a bit a good these days.. I might have to go to the dark side..

The dark side is no better. I hear Vader is fighting a slice and can't buy a putt.

The battle within ourselves rages on..........

[pwgolfpro]

Jedi,

I just happened to come across your post. I was just wondering if I could answer any questions you may have about Swing Machine Golf?

Over the years, I have had people that don't understand how the Iron Byron can help their golf swing, or other people don't see the relationship between machine and human. I can totally understand this because when I first saw Iron Byron as a kid, I never gave it much thought either. I just thought it was a cool machine that hit the ball perfectly every time.

It wasn't until I saw the machine later in life, that it all started to make sense. At the time, I was really struggling with my swing and I was looking for answers. I am someone that needs to know "why" to do certain positions in the golf swing. Iron Byron gave me the answers I was looking for. Now there is no more guess-work. Plus, the Iron Byron is simple. It is based on 3 fundamentals that are found in every great players swing. Thinking about these 3 things totally cleared my mind and allowed me to hit the ball better than I ever hit it in my life.

Please let me know if I can help.

Paul Wilson
Creator - Swing Machine Golf

[larryrsf]

"Iron Byron" (the air-powered swing machine with a "powered" wrist joint) was pretty much abandoned by the golf equipment testing industry years ago. Now Golf Labs uses a golf swing machine that is electric servo powered. That allows it to be closely controlled by a computer--with feedback and a printout of testing results. The newer electric swing machine has a "free" wrist that if free to flail as the upper arm swings from the shoulder.

I understand local golfers, even touring pros, go to GolfLabs near here in Escondido, CA and just stand and watch it hit balls-- trying to absorb its tempo.

You can access the golflabs web site.

Larry

[alangbaker]

Originally Posted by larryrsf

"Iron Byron" (the air-powered swing machine with a "powered" wrist joint) was pretty much abandoned by the golf equipment testing industry years ago. Now Golf Labs uses a golf swing machine that is electric servo powered. That allows it to be closely controlled by a computer--with feedback and a printout of testing results. The newer electric swing machine has a "free" wrist that if free to flail as the upper arm swings from the shoulder.

So the golf industry abandoned a machine that can emulate what human beings do with a golf club for one that can't?

Interesting.

BTW, how's the game progressing?

[straightshooter]

Originally Posted by larryrsf

I understand local golfers, even touring pros, go to GolfLabs near here in Escondido, CA and just stand and watch it hit balls-- trying to absorb its tempo.

That is a riot! Thanks for sharing that! Every respectable practicing range should have one just wacking balls into the middle!

[pwgolfpro]

Larry,

I think we have had this discussion in the past.

The Iron Byron is still used by some of the club manufacturers. I have pictures of the one at Golf Smith, as well as the 2 side by side at the Wilson facility. Last year, I visited the Titleist TPI center and they had 2 machines side by side. One was the Golf Labs machine and the other was the actual Iron Byron. They had Iron Byron hitting shots testing golf balls the day I was there. I asked them if they used the Golf Labs machine and they said they did not because they can depend on the results they get from Iron Byron.

MacGregor has an actual Iron Byron because we were talking to them about doing our video shoot there. Nike has a Golf Labs machine because we talked to Tom Stites about it. Taylor Made has a Golf Labs machine which I have video of and I think Callaway has both of the machines but I am not sure because I never made it to that facility.

So, they do in fact use Iron Byron to still test golf clubs.

Paul Wilson
Creator - Swing Machine Golf

[larryrsf]

Originally Posted by pwgolfpro

Larry,

I think we have had this discussion in the past.

The Iron Byron is still used by some of the club manufacturers. I have pictures of the one at Golf Smith, as well as the 2 side by side at the Wilson facility. Last year, I visited the Titleist TPI center and they had 2 machines side by side. One was the Golf Labs machine and the other was the actual Iron Byron. They had Iron Byron hitting shots testing golf balls the day I was there. I asked them if they used the Golf Labs machine and they said they did not because they can depend on the results they get from Iron Byron.

MacGregor has an actual Iron Byron because we were talking to them about doing our video shoot there. Nike has a Golf Labs machine because we talked to Tom Stites about it. Taylor Made has a Golf Labs machine which I have video of and I think Callaway has both of the machines but I am not sure because I never made it to that facility.

So, they do in fact use Iron Byron to still test golf clubs.

Paul Wilson
Creator - Swing Machine Golf

I was unaware of that, of course. The details of golf club or ball testing is a pretty esoteric subject, even to golf pros.

Out of curiosity I will ask Gene Parente, owner of Golf Labs and the engineer who developed the servo powered swing machines. I will see him next week when Golf Labs does a 10-amateur "before and after" product evaluation on our new RUlate golf swing training aid.

When I visited their facility a few years ago, talked to Gene then, I certainly got the impression the industry had abandoned the old air machines because the new electric servo motor version could produce programmable and extremely reliable results-- and a printout that means something to manufacturers. ANd those old machines were HEAVY and expensive, in the $30K range. I can understand why an owner might want to hang on for a while.

Larry