Big Break VII rule question

[coralpro]

The other night they played the threesome speed round hole in which Ashley, DD and Valeria won the exemption by beating the other two groups. The question I had is why was DD permitted to leave the flag in while putting when both the other groups pulled the flag as the rules of golf state you must do. DD should have been penalized for putting with the flag in because although speed golf I was aware that they can deviate from the rules of golf. They won by 1 second and it would have taken DD a few seconds to pull the flag and lay it down. I can't even believe nothing was mentioned on the show about this violation.

[Leaguegolf]

I don't follow the BB stuff but putting with the flagstick in is not a rules violation. Putting and hitting the flagstick is. Excuse me if that's what happened.

[Fourputt]

Originally Posted by coralpro

The other night they played the threesome speed round hole in which Ashley, DD and Valeria won the exemption by beating the other two groups. The question I had is why was DD permitted to leave the flag in while putting when both the other groups pulled the flag as the rules of golf state you must do. DD should have been penalized for putting with the flag in because although speed golf I was aware that they can deviate from the rules of golf. They won by 1 second and it would have taken DD a few seconds to pull the flag and lay it down. I can't even believe nothing was mentioned on the show about this violation.

Because they clearly were not required to play by the rules. I'm not sure why the other 2 pulled the flagstick before playing their short putts, but it was apparently not required. Don't ever mistake anything that they do on Big Break for playing by the rules. It may look like golf, and be played with golf equipment, but it ain't golf.

[Porter20]

At the beginning of the challenge, they said that they were not required to pull the flag stick. What I think happened was, Val pulled the flag in the first group, because she is so use to doing it, then when they put the speed aspect into it, she was so rushed, she just depended on her instincts. Then the second group, focused on what the first group did, just followed along. I guess DD was the only one who listened to the instructions.

Similar to that grade school quiz, when the teacher puts the piece of paper face down and says, Read all the instructions and compete this as fast as you can. At the end of the instructions it says only complete task 2. Most people turn it over and start with problem 1, then 2, then 3 etc as opposed to reading it all & following the instructions to a t.

[coralpro]

Originally Posted by Leaguegolf

I don't follow the BB stuff but putting with the flagstick in is not a rules violation. Putting and hitting the flagstick is. Excuse me if that's what happened.

According to the rules you cannot hole out a putt without hitting the flagstick because the putt is not at rest until it comes to stop at the bottom of the cup and the cup is cupped at the bottom and has to hit the flagstick. I believe it was 17-6 but not sure, but that is how they explained it. The same question was posed to them that if the putt drops into the cup without touching the flagstick does the person encounter a penalty and the answer was yes because it still has to touch it at the bottom of the cup.

[coralpro]

Originally Posted by Fourputt

Because they clearly were not required to play by the rules. I'm not sure why the other 2 pulled the flagstick before playing their short putts, but it was apparently not required. Don't ever mistake anything that they do on Big Break for playing by the rules. It may look like golf, and be played with golf equipment, but it ain't golf.

They do some wierd things but they should still be playing by the rules of golf during play of a hole. If they had told the others they could leave the flagstick in I'm sure they would have to cut down on time. This infuriates me because to me it is the same as cheating just so they can win 1,000.00 dollars.

[coralpro]

Originally Posted by Porter20

At the beginning of the challenge, they said that they were not required to pull the flag stick. What I think happened was, Val pulled the flag in the first group, because she is so use to doing it, then when they put the speed aspect into it, she was so rushed, she just depended on her instincts. Then the second group, focused on what the first group did, just followed along. I guess DD was the only one who listened to the instructions.

Similar to that grade school quiz, when the teacher puts the piece of paper face down and says, Read all the instructions and compete this as fast as you can. At the end of the instructions it says only complete task 2. Most people turn it over and start with problem 1, then 2, then 3 etc as opposed to reading it all & following the instructions to a t.

I never heard them say that so I guess speed golf has it's own rules. I'll have to watch it again because I must have left the room for something. Thanks!

[Porter20]

Originally Posted by coralpro

I never heard them say that so I guess speed golf has it's own rules. I'll have to watch it again because I must have left the room for something. Thanks!

When Stephanie is explaining the rules, it is written in words at the bottom of the screen.

[JungleJ]

Originally Posted by coralpro

According to the rules you cannot hole out a putt without hitting the flagstick because the putt is not at rest until it comes to stop at the bottom of the cup and the cup is cupped at the bottom and has to hit the flagstick. I believe it was 17-6 but not sure, but that is how they explained it. The same question was posed to them that if the putt drops into the cup without touching the flagstick does the person encounter a penalty and the answer was yes because it still has to touch it at the bottom of the cup.

It doesn't have to be at rest at the bottom of the cup - it has to be at rest with the entire ball below the edge of the hole, which is not the same thing.

[Fourputt]

Originally Posted by JungleJ

It doesn't have to be at rest at the bottom of the cup - it has to be at rest with the entire ball below the edge of the hole, which is not the same thing.

But..... if the stroke was played from the putting green, the penalty applies for hitting the flagstick, even if the ball is holed. In the case of the ball being completely within the hole and below the lip, but leaning against the flagstick, the ball is holed, but you would add 2 penalty strokes to your score for that hole... assuming of course that you are playing by the real Rules of Golf, and not the Big Break rules.

[chopdonkey]

The Rules of golf do not apply as they were not playing golf.

They were told at the beginning they did not have to remove the flagstick.

I am sure they have a rules session off film that makes sure everyone involved fully understands and knows the rules of the contest.

On the speed golf website, their rules even say you don't have to pull the pin. Speedgolf International