Kenny Perry... Brilliant!

[Leaguegolf]

Originally Posted by mr3856a

Check your facts, Mister Asterisk!!!

Yeah, I forgot about 2004. I don't know how I let that happen. After all, it was such a memorable Ryder Cup year for us.

[Ty_Webb]

Originally Posted by mr3856a

To put it clearly, I'm not doubting his intention - as League said, he's been clear about that - I'm doubting his motive. And I also don't buy the "it's for my country" thing for a split second, otherwise he would have played the Open.

If by "to put it clearly" you mean "to restate what I said before", then you did a good job. His motive is to play in the Ryder Cup. You say you're doubting his motive. Either you need to explain why trying to play in the Ryder Cup is a bad thing (good luck with that) or you need to explain what you think his motive is and why.

To put it clearly, his intention was to skip US Open qualifying and instead concentrate on the Buick Open. His motive was to qualify for the RC. I can't see anything wrong with that.

[mr3856a]

Originally Posted by Ty_Webb

If by "to put it clearly" you mean "to restate what I said before", then you did a good job. His motive is to play in the Ryder Cup.

No, that's his intention, only Kenny knows his motive, regardless of what he tells us. And the reason I restated what I said is that you asked me what specifically I was doubting, although I thought I had made it clear.

Originally Posted by Ty_Webb

Either you need to explain why trying to play in the Ryder Cup is a bad thing (good luck with that)

I never said it was; what I've said is that I don't think he's trying to make the team for the reasons he's stated, in other words I doubt his stated motive. If it was a matter of national pride, he would play in the U.S. Open. He didn't. So I find it hard to believe he wants to "represent his country".

He can do what he wants for whatever reason he wants, but I think this is about Kenny Perry redeeming himself for making a fool of himself at the last major in his home state 10 years ago, and it has nothing to do with America, national pride, love of country, or any of this other nonsense.

Originally Posted by Ty_Webb

To put it clearly, his intention was to skip US Open qualifying and instead concentrate on the Buick Open. His motive was to qualify for the RC. I can't see anything wrong with that.

Neither can I, if you're honest about why you're doing it.

And P.S. I find it an insult to your country to skip your national open to prepare for the Traveler's Championship, regardless of what your intentions, motives or anything else is, and I don't see how you can possibly skip the U.S. Open because of your overwhelming desire to play on the U.S. Ryder Cup team; it doesn't make sense, unless the entire national pride thing is meaningless to you to begin with...

[DonnaKay]

mr38, I often agree with lots of your points but I'm having trouble understanding why playing a GOLF TOURNAMENT, even the US Open, in which one earns money for oneself and does nothing for one's Nation's health or welfare has to do with "national pride".

Maybe, just maybe, competing in the Olympics is a National Pride thing, although with all the money "amateur" athletes earn these days, I'm not even sure that applies. Nor do I think competing in the Ryder Cup has much to do with love of country - more to do with love of competition, self-worth, and once again, money.

Ken Perry made a decision to try to compete in the Ryder Cup because he saw it as a capstone to his career and it was being played "at home". Didn't hear a lot from him about the "national pride" thing.

Your values seem to make "national pride" a touchstone for proper behavior and that's fine.....right up until you start trying to get other people to live by your values.

[Ty_Webb]

Originally Posted by mr3856a

No, that's his intention, only Kenny knows his motive, regardless of what he tells us. And the reason I restated what I said is that you asked me what specifically I was doubting, although I thought I had made it clear.

So you don't know what his motive is, but you doubt it anyway.

Originally Posted by mr3856a

I never said it was; what I've said is that I don't think he's trying to make the team for the reasons he's stated, in other words I doubt his stated motive. If it was a matter of national pride, he would play in the U.S. Open. He didn't. So I find it hard to believe he wants to "represent his country".

So he doesn't want to represent his country? Why else would you want to play in the Ryder Cup? For the money?

Originally Posted by mr3856a

He can do what he wants for whatever reason he wants, but I think this is about Kenny Perry redeeming himself for making a fool of himself at the last major in his home state 10 years ago, and it has nothing to do with America, national pride, love of country, or any of this other nonsense.

I must confess that I don't know what he did 10 years ago, but I'd be surprised if that was his main motivation.

Originally Posted by mr3856a

And P.S. I find it an insult to your country to skip your national open to prepare for the Traveler's Championship, regardless of what your intentions, motives or anything else is, and I don't see how you can possibly skip the U.S. Open because of your overwhelming desire to play on the U.S. Ryder Cup team; it doesn't make sense, unless the entire national pride thing is meaningless to you to begin with...

Why? I might agree you had a point if he'd been exempt into the US Open and then pulled out because he didn't fancy playing it. But it wasn't like that. It's the qualifying tournament that he avoided playing in. Not really the same thing.

I also find it interesting that you were readily claiming on the Tiger was faking thread that people were accusing Tiger of lying when they had absolutely no grounds to do so. Yet, here you stand (or sit) accusing Perry of lying, when you have absolutely no grounds to do so, except perhaps for some idea that you have that the things he's told you don't quite hang together. Which, incidentally, could easily be said of Tiger saying "I'll be fine" and then grimacing after several shots.

[PA PLAYA]

I once saw Kenny Perry keep his hat on during the national anthem. And for the record, I've NEVER seen him wear a flag pin on his lapel. I think he might be a terrorist.

[stlcard_25]

Originally Posted by DonnaKay

I don't understand the annoyance with Kenny Perry, guys. He announced early on that his goal was to make the Ryder Cup team and that his schedule was organized accordingly. Are you saying that because that schedule resulted in some success and achieving his goal, he should now change it? Why?

The man is almost 48 years old and this is surely his last chance to play an event he obviously loves, at home, no less!! If he had successfully qualified for the US Open, what's the likelihood he even makes the cut? Same with the other majors.

He had a plan, he stuck to it in the face of his critics, made a lot of money along the way, and has achieved his goal. I say good for the old guy!!!

I wasn't all that bothered by his choice not to try to qualify for Torrey either, DK. I think the idea that he's going to skip the Open is kinda silly but to each their own, I guess. I can only hope that if (likely when, now) he makes the team, he helps the US team as best he can and we can maybe scratch out a victory for a change.

[CristieKerr]

What on earth has Kenny Perry ever done to be called a liar?!?

[Leaguegolf]

Mr3856a is going to love this one..........I read today that Perry is considering skipping the Open Championship (although he will certainly be exempt from qualifying) to play in Milwaukee, opposite the Open Championship.

Points is points!

[Bigvivec]

Cherry picker...

[Ty_Webb]

Originally Posted by Leaguegolf

Mr3856a is going to love this one..........I read today that Perry is considering skipping the Open Championship (although he will certainly be exempt from qualifying) to play in Milwaukee, opposite the Open Championship.

Points is points!

Yeah I read that yesterday. Mr Perry plunges in my estimations. Skipping the US Open is one thing, but the Open? The world's premier golf tournament? Poor decision IMO.

[DonnaKay]

I believe that Kenny committed to the alternate event prior to qualifying for the Open and is honoring that committment. Can't say I can fault him for that!

[mr3856a]

Originally Posted by Ty_Webb

So you don't know what his motive is, but you doubt it anyway.

I can't doubt something I don't know about.

Originally Posted by Ty_Webb

So he doesn't want to represent his country? Why else would you want to play in the Ryder Cup? For the money?

Riddle me how he could possibly be in it for love of country when he doesn't even bother to even try to play in the U.S. Open...

Originally Posted by Ty_Webb

I must confess that I don't know what he did 10 years ago, but I'd be surprised if that was his main motivation.

He was leading the PGA Championship at Valhalla and it was close; instead of going to the range to stay warm, he went up in the announcer's booth and blabbered for over an hour. When it came to a playoff, he wasn't ready and lost. Whoops!

Originally Posted by Ty_Webb

Why? I might agree you had a point if he'd been exempt into the US Open and then pulled out because he didn't fancy playing it. But it wasn't like that. It's the qualifying tournament that he avoided playing in. Not really the same thing.

It absolutely is the same thing.

Originally Posted by Ty_Webb

I also find it interesting that you were readily claiming on the Tiger was faking thread that people were accusing Tiger of lying when they had absolutely no grounds to do so. Yet, here you stand (or sit) accusing Perry of lying, when you have absolutely no grounds to do so, except perhaps for some idea that you have that the things he's told you don't quite hang together. Which, incidentally, could easily be said of Tiger saying "I'll be fine" and then grimacing after several shots.

I most certainly do have grounds to do so, as I have elaborated. His reasoning doesn't make a whiff of sense, and as I said in the other thread, if you really couldn't figure out why Tiger was saying "I'll be fine," there's nothing I can do to help explain it to you.

[mr3856a]

Originally Posted by Leaguegolf

Mr3856a is going to love this one..........I read today that Perry is considering skipping the Open Championship (although he will certainly be exempt from qualifying) to play in Milwaukee, opposite the Open Championship.

Points is points!

Whoopie, that's not his national championship last I checked.

[JPsuff]

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It seems to me that Kenny Perry ought to be allowed to do what Kenny Perry wants to do. You know, not everyone wants to be the Chairman of the Board. Some people are very content with being an Office Manager and there's nothing wrong with that.

As long as Kenny Perry is happy, then that should be all there is to it.


-JP

[jshiver15]

Originally Posted by DonnaKay

I believe that Kenny committed to the alternate event prior to qualifying for the Open and is honoring that committment. Can't say I can fault him for that!

Seems like people are ignoring this post. I respect the guy for honoring his commitment. I didn't like his decision to skip the US Open, but at least he has an honorable reason for skipping The Open.

[mr3856a]

Originally Posted by jshiver15

Seems like people are ignoring this post. I respect the guy for honoring his commitment. I didn't like his decision to skip the US Open, but at least he has an honorable reason for skipping The Open.

I read it, but you won't be surprised I have a different take. He obviously would have known when he committed that the event would conflict with qualifying, unless he really never gave the first thought whatsoever to playing in the Open Championship this year, which is my guess.

As for everything else, this is only my opinion. I don't know any more than anyone else, so feel free to disregard my opinion if you want. I'm just offering it

[jshiver15]

Yeah, but he rarely plays in The Open, anyways. He might as well commit to a sure thing.

[Wazmankg]

Originally Posted by droogy33

Anyway, great win for Kenny! I've been following the PGA TOUR closely since 1993, and Kenny is probably the best 45+ yr. old pro we have seen in that time.

You're probably right. But Fred Funk won 3 after he turned 45 (actually 47) including The Players, FWIW. Also to put some of this in perspective, Perry has only played in 4 Opens and 10 US Opens in his 20 year career.