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Old 09-03-2011, 01:05 PM
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Should players be paid for the Presidents and Ryder Cup

Some players have whined and cried about wanting big money to play in these two events. They are representing their countries and if they want more money they should decline the invitations rather than whining.
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Re: Should players be paid for the Presidents and Ryder Cup

As I recall some of them wanted a say in where the profits went, not that they wanted to get paid. I like the compromise the PGA came up with... that they all get $200k to contribute to charity and I'd have no objection to them being able to allocate even more of the profits. That's really a drop in the bucket of what the PGA makes from the event. I don't know what the European Tour does with their cut.
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Old 09-03-2011, 02:36 PM
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Some players have whined and cried about wanting big money to play in these two events. They are representing their countries and if they want more money they should decline the invitations rather than whining.
I don't blame them for complaining, because they are working their jobs. But as long as they'll do it for free, they shouldn't get paid.

Only half the players (Team USA) are representing their country. Their Ryder Cup opponents represent Europe, which is probably not especially meaningful to them. Their President's Cup opponents represent nothing whatsoever.
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Old 09-03-2011, 02:52 PM
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As I recall some of them wanted a say in where the profits went, not that they wanted to get paid. I like the compromise the PGA came up with... that they all get $200k to contribute to charity and I'd have no objection to them being able to allocate even more of the profits. That's really a drop in the bucket of what the PGA makes from the event. I don't know what the European Tour does with their cut.
You are right some did want a say (and not that it had to go to charity) and some were embarrassed and upset any of the Americans were asking for money rather than the privilege of playing for their country. But a few like O'Mera, Duval and Tiger wanted the money and then changed their story when other golfers and fans were embarrassed by their greed.
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Re: Should players be paid for the Presidents and Ryder Cup

Some players get big bonus payments from sponsors when they make The Cup.
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Re: Should players be paid for the Presidents and Ryder Cup

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You are right some did want a say (and not that it had to go to charity) and some were embarrassed and upset any of the Americans were asking for money rather than the privilege of playing for their country. But a few like O'Mera, Duval and Tiger wanted the money and then changed their story when other golfers and fans were embarrassed by their greed.
When was the last time any player from any side has said anything about Ryder CUp or Presidents Cup money? You're making a mountain out of a molehill about an issue that resolved years ago.
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Re: Should players be paid for the Presidents and Ryder Cup

I remembered the issue but everything I came up with on the web was pretty old. There was an article where Tiger said that another tour event, the one he was about to play (the Accenture ?), meant more to him than the RC. When asked why he said he could think of a million reasons, referring to the winner's purse for the former. It was a laugh line but I guess he took some flak for it and subsequently backtracked somewhat. I vaguely remember something about it.
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Re: Should players be paid for the Presidents and Ryder Cup

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I don't blame them for complaining, because they are working their jobs. But as long as they'll do it for free, they shouldn't get paid.

Only half the players (Team USA) are representing their country. Their Ryder Cup opponents represent Europe, which is probably not especially meaningful to them. Their President's Cup opponents represent nothing whatsoever.
Is it just your opinion that the Rest of the World represents nothing whatsoever or are you enunciating US foreign policy?

For a bunch of guys who represent something "not especially meaningful to them" they seem to take a lot of pride in whipping the Americans rear.
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Their Ryder Cup opponents represent Europe, which is probably not especially meaningful to them.
Just think how well they would play if it did!

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Is it just your opinion that the Rest of the World represents nothing whatsoever....?
I would call it a fact! By definition the 'Internationals' do not represent the US, and they do not represent Europe. I will change my mind on this when I hear "Rest of World" chants at the upcoming event!
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Old 09-05-2011, 07:34 AM
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And yet the players who have whined most about payment have been those representing their country ,not those representing 'nothing'
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Old 09-05-2011, 08:23 AM
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I remembered the issue but everything I came up with on the web was pretty old. There was an article where Tiger said that another tour event, the one he was about to play (the Accenture ?), meant more to him than the RC. When asked why he said he could think of a million reasons, referring to the winner's purse for the former. It was a laugh line but I guess he took some flak for it and subsequently backtracked somewhat. I vaguely remember something about it.
Each player has to make their own decision and jokes.
But the quotes of a possible a boycott and others like this were an embarrassment to ALL. If you don't like the system and established procedures, then don't play. There are plenty who would love to play and represent their country.

Only a few hours earlier, for instance, Tiger Woods, who once called the Ryder Cup "pros on parade," was still suggesting, "We should be able to keep the money and do whatever we see fit."
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Re: Should players be paid for the Presidents and Ryder Cup

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Each player has to make their own decision and jokes.
But the quotes of a possible a boycott and others like this were an embarrassment to ALL. If you don't like the system and established procedures, then don't play. There are plenty who would love to play and represent their country.

Only a few hours earlier, for instance, Tiger Woods, who once called the Ryder Cup "pros on parade," was still suggesting, "We should be able to keep the money and do whatever we see fit."
A few hours earlier from when? Today? Or years ago?

Nevermind - I googled - it's a quote from a NY Daily News article from 1999. Here is Tiger's full quote.

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Only a few hours earlier, for instance, Tiger Woods, who once called the Ryder Cup "pros on parade," was still suggesting, "We should be able to keep the money and do whatever we see fit. For me personally, I would donate all of it to charity. With all the money that's being made, I think we should have a say in where it goes."
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Re: Should players be paid for the Presidents and Ryder Cup

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Each player has to make their own decision and jokes.
But the quotes of a possible a boycott and others like this were an embarrassment to ALL. If you don't like the system and established procedures, then don't play. There are plenty who would love to play and represent their country.

Only a few hours earlier, for instance, Tiger Woods, who once called the Ryder Cup "pros on parade," was still suggesting, "We should be able to keep the money and do whatever we see fit."
I just mentioned it because it was so long ago I'd forgotten about it and digging up that article reminded me. Monica Lewinsky was the big story, we were all Livin' La Vida Loca and everyone was running for cover from the Y2K bug. I'm as nostalgic as the next guy but forgive me if my outrage over this has waned a bit.
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Re: Should players be paid for the Presidents and Ryder Cup

Thanks to Diane's efforts, we now have the facts on this issue. And for one, I think it's really a dead issue at best.
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I would call it a fact! By definition the 'Internationals' do not represent the US, and they do not represent Europe. I will change my mind on this when I hear "Rest of World" chants at the upcoming event!
Why would they chant at all? This is golf not football and BTW Europe is part of the rest of the world so such a "chant" would be inappropriate anyway.
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Chanting at golf is uncalled for, along with the 'Youdaman' and 'Get in the hole' morons.

You do not hear 'Rest of the World' being chanted because their supporters are better behaved.
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Chanting at golf is uncalled for, along with the 'Youdaman' and 'Get in the hole' morons.

You do not hear 'Rest of the World' being chanted because their supporters are better behaved.
Chanting is almost as annoying as group singing by the Euros.
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'We only sing when we are winning'
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Ah but chanting was a primitive form of singing developed before the advent of tunes - some haven't progressed since then.
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I think it fair to say that a LOT of people haven't progressed since then.
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