Michelle Wie 24/7

[Wazmankg]

Originally Posted by tour_insider

Again, I never dismissed Moodie's claim. You are dismissing Alena Sharpe's assertion that she saw nothing wrong with her. I'm saying we've got conflicting reports - conflicting incomplete reports, no less - and no conclusions can be drawn from any of it.

You're apparently giving the 2 experiences equal weight in assessing Michelle's state. I'm not dismissing Sharpe's assertion at all. Only that she didn't nor couldn't have witnessesd everything Michelle did or said that day. You've chosen to ignore this critical point. I'm sure she's telling the truth. My co-worker watched the sun come up in the east today. I didn't see the sun come up in the east today. We're both telling the truth. Whose recollection should be given more credibility in determining whether the sun came up in the east today ?

[rodney_c]

Originally Posted by tour_insider

Again, I never dismissed Moodie's claim. You are dismissing Alena Sharpe's assertion that she saw nothing wrong with her. I'm saying we've got conflicting reports - conflicting incomplete reports, no less - and no conclusions can be drawn from any of it.

There are no conflicting reports.
The fact that Alena Sharp did not notice what Janice Moodie noticed does not in any way contradict that Janice Moodie did notice something.

[rodney_c]

Originally Posted by Leaguegolf

BTW........You still haven't answered my previous questions bolded in post #742 of this thread. Do you intent to answer them, or should I expect more song and dance?

I answered it in post 755 but here it is again.
Question: What happned to the young phenom etc?
Answer: She got injured. Simple as that.

[Texas Wedge]

Originally Posted by Leaguegolf

Hey! If I would've known that Leaguegolf's wife was going to be asking about Texas Wedge when I got home, Wazmankg would've definitely noticed him.......

LOL! The REAL question here is...What was Texas Wedge doing at League's house with his wife while Leage and Waz were out walking the street?

Don't tell Mrs. Texas Wedge, because that would cause some serious damage to TW!

[tour_insider]

Originally Posted by Wazmankg

You're apparently giving the 2 experiences equal weight in assessing Michelle's state. I'm not dismissing Sharpe's assertion at all. Only that she didn't nor couldn't have witnessesd everything Michelle did or said that day. You've chosen to ignore this critical point. I'm sure she's telling the truth. My co-worker watched the sun come up in the east today. I didn't see the sun come up in the east today. We're both telling the truth. Whose recollection should be given more credibility in determining whether the sun came up in the east today ?

You may be sure, but it's still hearsay evidence

[tour_insider]

Originally Posted by rodney_c

There are no conflicting reports.
The fact that Alena Sharp did not notice what Janice Moodie noticed does not in any way contradict that Janice Moodie did notice something.

Correct, but the fact that Sharp saw "nothing to indicate her wrists were a problem" indeed does contradict that Janice Moodie did notice something.

[Leaguegolf]

Originally Posted by Texas Wedge

LOL! The REAL question here is...What was Texas Wedge doing at League's house with his wife while Leage and Waz were out walking the street?

Don't tell Mrs. Texas Wedge, because that would cause some serious damage to TW!

No one said you were at my house. You were spotted walking down the street and you better stick to that story!

Local ordinances prevent Wazmankg from walking the streets alone. I was doing my civic duty by keeping an eye on him.

[pick-it-up]

Can someone please answer something for me?

WHY ARE PEOPLE SO OBSESSED w/ WIE? (keep it short please)

[ErikGalindo]

Back to MW, the professional golfer, topic. I just read that she has now gone 20 consecutive rounds without breaking par. I'm just wondering what her handicap is now?
(Only one joke allowed, unless it's funnier than the previous one, but this is an honest question.)

[Leaguegolf]

Originally Posted by rodney_c

I answered it in post 755 but here it is again.
Question: What happned to the young phenom etc?
Answer: She got injured. Simple as that.

Nice dance but I'm not buying the song. My questions had a much broader scope and you know it. Are you saying that all of Wie's current concerns with the LPGA, her peers, and the media, are due strictly because of her injury? Wie's performance and fall from grace started the downhill slide well before her injury. How many in the golf world view Wie the same as they did after the Sony in which she barely missed the cut? Other than you that is.

This train wreck has happened right in front of your eyes and you think the train is still on the tracks. I've yet to read a post from you that recognizes that Wie has any concerns at all, other than her injury and Leadbetter's comments. I honestly wondered what you thought of the concerns but it's apparent you only see one side of the story, or fail to see the story at all.

[rodney_c]

Originally Posted by ErikGalindo

Back to MW, the professional golfer, topic. I just read that she has now gone 20 consecutive rounds without breaking par. I'm just wondering what her handicap is now?
(Only one joke allowed, unless it's funnier than the previous one, but this is an honest question.)

That's a silly stat. The US Womens Open course will be tough to break par as well. The winning score may well be over par so that won't prove anything either. When the Evian Masters comes around with winning scores of about -17, I doubt people would be jumping around saying how great she were if she were to break par. It's just a silly stat especially since most of those events were on mens courses.

[ErikGalindo]

Originally Posted by pick-it-up

Can someone please answer something for me?

WHY ARE PEOPLE SO OBSESSED w/ WIE? (keep it short please)

Short answer, a quote from a movie...

"...you chose the way of the hero. And they found you amusing for a while, the people of this city. But the one thing they love more than a hero is to see a hero fail, fall, die trying."

[tour_insider]

Originally Posted by rodney_c

It's just a silly stat especially since most of those events were on mens courses.

Uh, WRONG. She plays like half a round and then bags it on men's courses, two at most. So you're saying she's played her last 10-15 tournaments against men?

Guess again.

[ErikGalindo]

Originally Posted by rodney_c

That's a silly stat. The US Womens Open course will be tough to break par as well. The winning score may well be over par so that won't prove anything either. When the Evian Masters comes around with winning scores of about -17, I doubt people would be jumping around saying how great she were if she were to break par. It's just a silly stat especially since most of those events were on mens courses.

I don't see how that is a silly stat...or do you mean the not breaking par for 20 consecutive rounds. I don't really care about the consecutive rounds part of it, I'm just wondering - what is her handicap now? I get asked that question all the time when I play with strangers - I'm in the mid-20's. My personal important stat is GIR%, but now I'm going off topic...and now I'm off to look it up myself.

[rodney_c]

Originally Posted by Leaguegolf

Nice dance but I'm not buying the song. My questions had a much broader scope and you know it. Are you saying that all of Wie's current concerns with the LPGA, her peers, and the media, are due strictly because of her injury?

You ask about the concerns with the lpga, peers & media.
I don't know what you mean by concerns about the lpga. You could clarify that. If you mean the 88 rule, it's not even an issue. It's something of nothing which wouldn't have made a local paper if any other player had been involved.
Peers: if you mean the Annika incident, I am not at all worried about it. If you want to know why I'll tell you by pm.
Media: the media like to build people up and knock them down. Before Michelle signed any contracts this was discussed with her thoroughly and she was told exactly what would happen. She made her decision to turn pro in the full knowledge that this would happen.

Originally Posted by Leaguegolf

This train wreck has happened right in front of your eyes and you think the train is still on the tracks. I've yet to read a post from you that recognizes that Wie has any concerns at all, other than her injury and Leadbetter's comments.

What concerns does she have apart from the injury?
Her job is to continue rehabing, continue hitting balls, build her her strength and get to the point where she is 100% healthy on the golf course and competiting for many titles. That's the important thing, all the other stuff is secondary and of no real imporance.
In a consumer driven society of high convenience and fast food you are obviously looking for things straight away.
I am in this for the long hall and I am not in any way put off by bumps in the road.
These little incidents mean very little in the scheme of things.

[tour_insider]

If you aren't worried about the Ginn fallout you're in la-la land. The sponsors are wondering quite loudly as to whether what they got out of the tournament was worth it from her. Two weeks in a row she's got pro-am playing partners complaining about her. How on earth can you mess up in a pro-am, fer cryin' out loud?

There have been DQ's, rules violations, unhappy sponsors, clashes with pro-am partners, public disagreements with her peers (Annika of all people, when have you ever heard Annika say a cross word about anyone?), questionable behavior, dubious WD's (multiple dubious WD's), run-in's with the commissioner's office, last-place finishes on both the PGA, European PGA, and now LPGA Tours...

You might do well to take your blinders off, sport.

[Leaguegolf]

I suppose Wie shields herself from media storm that surrounds her every move and I can understand that. When you narrow things down to simply a golf score, you may be right about her having no concerns apart from her injury. I just think that the Michelle Wie story is so much more than a score.

Being told what would happen and actually having to live through it all are two different things. Are you telling us that Wie hasn't been at all affected by the events of the last year? Are you also saying that everything is fine between Wie and the LPGA and it's players?

BTW.....I wasn't referring to the 88 rule but please feel free to PM me any further info you may have.

[Bolt Fore]

Quote Rodney Did you guys watch any of the tournament?
I was very proud of Michelle's performance. To make the cut in the circumstances was remarkable, and despite what you mention about last place, she beat Ai Miyazato .
Rodney you used to be proud of her top 5 finishes. Now you're proud of her making the cut and finishing last among those making the cut. Even you Rodney have lowered your standards to meet hers.

[Texas Wedge]

Originally Posted by Leaguegolf

No one said you were at my house. You were spotted walking down the street and you better stick to that story!

Local ordinances prevent Wazmankg from walking the streets alone. I was doing my civic duty by keeping an eye on him.

Then how did your wife know where I was? Did she see me coming out of the neighbor's house? My story is that I was out for a jog in another state...I do that all the time.

And just how did Rodney know what your wife said to you? Is your house bugged or did you tell him?

[rodney_c]

Originally Posted by Bolt Fore

Rodney you used to be proud of her top 5 finishes. Now you're proud of her making the cut and finishing last among those making the cut. Even you Rodney have lowered your standards to meet hers.[/b][/color]

I'm proud of her making the cut in those circumstances. I wouldn't be happy with her just making the cut if she were in full health and back playing events regularly again.

[rodney_c]

Originally Posted by Leaguegolf

Are you also saying that everything is fine between Wie and the LPGA and it's players?

When Annika Sorenstam spoke out against Michelle, it was the perfect time for any lpga player who wanted to, to come out of the woodwork. What better time would there be than that. The only player who backed up Annika was Nicole Castrale, although Nicole won an event in 2007, she is barely known even to herself not mind anyone else.

I know of reporters who harassed lpga players, practically pleading for any negative comments to spice up their stories. Those comments were not forthcoming, although many players did say how much they like Michelle, not worth reporting in the opinions of many journalists.
So yes everything is fine between Wie and lpga players.