Michelle Wie 24/7

[tour_insider]

Originally Posted by rodney_c

Tour-insider,
I had written a full reply to your post, but I decided you weren't worth bothering about, whatever username you choose to call yourself your convoluted logic remains the same.

I'm not sure I follow you on the "what I call myself" thing, but I wasn't expecting an answer as to who was being harassed and who was doing the harassing. God forbid you post something that someone can actually check up on

[tour_insider]

Originally Posted by rodney_c

savgolfjunkie,
There isn't much wrong with what you are saying apart from the fact that your thoughts come from a basis of complete misinformation. The vast majority of things that people are critising her for, either didn't happen or didn't happen in the way they were reported.

I could give full details about the 88 rule and her wrist injury, and the pro-am incidents, but there would probably be no point. I have learned that there is no point in bothering to try to change the minds of those who have already decided.

You also seem to have learned that it's smart not to post something that can be objectively verified

[tour_insider]

What's with this two user names bidness and who is mr-whatever?

Mr. C, you've put me on ignore? I simply asked you a specific question in response to your claim. Heaven forbid!

And don't think I don't know full-well a) why you won't answer, and b) why you won't put any verifiable information out in the "public domain" on the site, as it were:

Any story you come up with about who said what to whom I can make two phone calls and verify.

[Texas Wedge]

I'll give you credit for one thing, Rodney. Your views take a real beating in here sometimes, but you always come back and defend your position as much as possible. I think most people would have given up by now.

FWIW, I'm not anti-Wie...but I feel she has been over-hyped and in the past year or so, her game has declined for whatever reason. The wrist injury has at least given her an excuse for some of the bad play. Hopefully she'll heal and her game will improve. Most importantly...I hope she stays on the LPGA tour instead of trying compete with the men. Just my opinion, though.

[rodney_c]

Originally Posted by Texas Wedge

I'll give you credit for one thing, Rodney. Your views take a real beating in here sometimes, but you always come back and defend your position as much as possible. I think most people would have given up by now.

FWIW, I'm not anti-Wie...but I feel she has been over-hyped and in the past year or so, her game has declined for whatever reason. The wrist injury has at least given her an excuse for some of the bad play. Hopefully she'll heal and her game will improve. Most importantly...I hope she stays on the LPGA tour instead of trying compete with the men. Just my opinion, though.

Texas,
I don't care about any abuse on anonymous forums. Whether that abuse comes from tour insiders who have Tim Finchem and Carolyn Bivens on speed dial or just normal folk doesn't bother me.
I relay my views and if people want to take them on board they can. If not thats fine too.
All the latest controversies have done is bridge an even wider gap between the wie supporters and the wie bashers. While there might be plenty of opposition, Wie is the only female player who has a big fan base and she is the only female player who could have a thread which has well over 800 replies.
While many might complain, if she plays the US Womens Open they will watch, and if she doesn't many of them probably won't bother to watch it.

[troll4poker]

Originally Posted by rodney_c

Did you guys watch any of the tournament?
I was very proud of Michelle's performance. To make the cut in the circumstances was remarkable, and despite what you mention about last place, she beat Ai Miyazato who missed the cut by 1 stroke, as well as beating every other player who missed the cut. If she shot 120 in the 3rd and 4th rounds, she still would have beat every player who missed the cut.

This is the same logic I use to TRY to convince my kid that his HS band placing 10th out of 10 at the state finals for 3 consecutive years ISNT finishing last, but 10th in the entire state, and even at 14 when he was a freshman in HS he knew I was full of **** Yes, we as parents are all very proud of their performance, BUT the fact reamains, they still finished LAST of the competitors that made it to state. And before the analogies of 2 world series teams, or 2 NBA finals teams etc comes up, we arent talking about a one vs one situation here.

[Bolt Fore]

The scary thing is...............what if he prove's he's right?




It doesn't matter right or wrong. Rodney is now proud of her making the cut and beating all those who didn't. Even if she never made another cut Rodney would be proud of her trying.

[Leaguegolf]

I question rodney_c's rose tinted glasses from time to time, but I admire his unwavering support of Wie despite her not doing much lately to help his cause. I also respect that he's kept every post civil when it would've been easy to be pushed over the edge.

Rodney and I chose opposite sides when it came to Wie playing against men but I feel Wie has more than proven my case in that arena. However, we both agree that Wie will someday be a force on the LPGA. I have a few reservations about the the way she's handled herself at times and just how far her and daddy will go before she finally tells him his services are no longer needed but that doesn't change the fact that she's still a very talented young player. Whether or not Wie takes full advantage of her talent is yet to be determined. Until it is, rodney and I will continue to discuss the ups and downs of her career. He'll discuss the ups and just to keep things in perspective, I'll discuss the downs.

[rodney_c]

Originally Posted by Bolt Fore

It doesn't matter right or wrong. Rodney is now proud of her making the cut and beating all those who didn't. Even if she never made another cut Rodney would be proud of her trying.

I was proud of her making the cut, after coming back from a broken wirst, not hitting driver once off the tee once in those two rounds, having 50% less grip pressure on the club, having much less upper body strength, not performing a full recoil, without sufficient strength to release the club as she had before, scraping around the course and grinding out a performance to make the cut, that's what I was proud of.
I won't be proud of an lpga cut for a fully fit Wie. Then she should contend.

[Texas Wedge]

Originally Posted by Leaguegolf

I question rodney_c's rose tinted glasses from time to time, but I admire his unwavering support of Wie despite her not doing much lately to help his cause. I also respect that he's kept every post civil when it would've been easy to be pushed over the edge.

That's pretty much what I was trying to say, only you said it better.

[Bolt Fore]

Originally Posted by rodney_c

I was proud of her making the cut, after coming back from a broken wirst, not hitting driver once off the tee once in those two rounds, having 50% less grip pressure on the club, having much less upper body strength, not performing a full recoil, without sufficient strength to release the club as she had before, scraping around the course and grinding out a performance to make the cut, that's what I was proud of.
I won't be proud of an lpga cut for a fully fit Wie. Then she should contend.

Broken wrist? Come on Rodney thats really pushing it. If it was that bad she had no business playing.

[HackBlack]

Originally Posted by ErikGalindo

Back to MW, the professional golfer, topic. I just read that she has now gone 20 consecutive rounds without breaking par. I'm just wondering what her handicap is now?
(Only one joke allowed, unless it's funnier than the previous one, but this is an honest question.)

I ran her last 20 scores through Yahoo Golf Handicap tracker, using the posted course ratings. Keep in mind that a tour event probably has a course rating 3-4 shots higher that whats on the scorecard due to faster greens, longer rough and narrower fairways.

Also, I couldn't find a course rating for Japan's Casio World Open course so I used 73.5 which was about average for the other courses she had played.

Drum roll please

Yahoo! Men's Handicap Rating is -0.6 (My guesstimate is that she's playing to about a +4.0 considering the difficulty of tour events.)

[03EBZ06]

Wie is getting some bad advice from her parents and advisor(s).

1. Rest up and get that wrist fully healed.
2. Hire knowledgeable advisor who isn't afraid to tell it like it is.
3. Get a good experienced caddy and stick with him/her.
4. I'm sure your father is a good father but that doesn't make him an expert in LPGA arena, nor golf expert. Seek his advice on life experieces but for professional matters, seek advice from the hired professionals (see #2).
5. Learn the golf ettiquate and learn the LPGA protocal.
6. Learn to be gracious and humble.
7. Learn to win at LPGA level first then attempt to win at PGA events.
8. Refine your swing mechanics and learn to putt better, your putting is horrible.

I still believe Wie can win and have a successful career in LPGA but the path she is on right now is very destructive and it can lead to psychological disaster. She needs stop and take a look at where she is right now and figure out what she need to do in order to change the path she is on.

[Leaguegolf]

Originally Posted by 03EBZ06

Wie is getting some bad advice from her parents and advisor(s).

1. Rest up and get that wrist fully healed.
2. Hire knowledgeable advisor who isn't afraid to tell it like it is.
3. Get a good experienced caddy and stick with him/her.
4. I'm sure your father is a good father but that doesn't make him an expert in LPGA arena, nor golf expert. Seek his advice on life experieces but for professional matters, seek advice from the hired professionals (see #2).
5. Learn the golf ettiquate and learn the LPGA protocal.
6. Learn to be gracious and humble.
7. Learn to win at LPGA level first then attempt to win at PGA events.
8. Refine your swing mechanics and learn to putt better, your putting is horrible.

I still believe Wie can win and have a successful career in LPGA but the path she is on right now is very destructive and it can lead to psychological disaster. She needs stop and take a look at where she is right now and figure out what she need to do in order to change the path she is on.

You looking for a job?

[tour_insider]

Well said, 03EBZ06. I've said previously I'm not the biggest fan on earth of David Leadbetter, but turning all - and I mean all - of the golf decisions over to him at this point would be the best thing that could happen to her.

It's pretty obvious B.J. doesn't have the slightest clue about golf, its rules or etiquette, which may explain a lot of Michelle's on-course "incidents" over the last few years. Most young golfers have a parent interested in the game who instill its values in them at a young age.

Unfortunately as I know (and is readily apparent), B.J. treats this more as an entertainment/show business career than a golf career. Ask him about it and he'll respond with terms like "market forces"...

Either way, you can't tell me nobody saw these past two performances coming, and someone should have suggested that perhaps it'd be better to wait.

[03EBZ06]

Originally Posted by Leaguegolf

You looking for a job?

No thank you.

I have enough in my hands dealing with my 17 and 19 year old daughters with lot of drama.

[ErikGalindo]

Originally Posted by HackBlack

I ran her last 20 scores through Yahoo Golf Handicap tracker, using the posted course ratings. Keep in mind that a tour event probably has a course rating 3-4 shots higher that whats on the scorecard due to faster greens, longer rough and narrower fairways.

Also, I couldn't find a course rating for Japan's Casio World Open course so I used 73.5 which was about average for the other courses she had played.

Drum roll please

Yahoo! Men's Handicap Rating is -0.6 (My guesstimate is that she's playing to about a +4.0 considering the difficulty of tour events.)

Thanks Hack! I couldn't find any stats on her, only some for LPGA members. And that handicap is a lot lower than I expected. I can only imagine what it is for the winners...

[rodney_c]

Originally Posted by Bolt Fore

Broken wrist? Come on Rodney thats really pushing it. If it was that bad she had no business playing.

She broke it in February. You are right that she has no business in playing if you take it from an image point of view. She wasn't likely to shoot very good scores at the lpga or the us open. It would have been better to leave it til the Evian Masters from a short-term reputation point of view. From a golfing point of view, she has to build it up sometime and playing is the best way to do that.
I would rather she had come back on the Asian Ladies Tour for a few events, make some cuts under less scruitiny while rehabbing that way. Of course then some people would have said she was avoiding the competition and with her not winning on the Ladies Asian Tour, as she wouldn't have won at that time, even over there, some would have said she can't even win on a lesser tour not to mind the lpga tour.
The point is, those who want to find fault would have found fault either way.

[Leaguegolf]

Originally Posted by rodney_c

The point is, those who want to find fault would have found fault either way.

As well as those that want to make excuses will make excuses. Have we conveniently forgotten that her poor performances started long before her wrist injury?

[coralpro]

Originally Posted by Leaguegolf

As well as those that want to make excuses will make excuses. Have we conveniently forgotten that her poor performances started long before her wrist injury?

Laddie, Ya cannot forget he might have a wie problem with remembering.